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Here is one of my favourite Rumi poems:
Ask and you shall receive. :) Here's a couple of Rumi links I found after I saw your question. Rumi Poetry More Rumi Paintings inspired by the poetry of Rumi The Still Point of Ecstasy plus a few links to Rumi sites Enjoy. A quick excerpt - "Jelaluddin Rumi was born in the region today known as Afghanistan in 1207. His family fled the Mogul invasion to Konya, Turkey where he spent most of his life. Rumi following in his father's ancestoral line became a scholar until his meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz. Of this meeting Rumi said, "What I had thought of before as God, I met today in a person." After Shams, Rumi's other strong influences were Saladin Zarkub, the goldsmith, and later his scribe, Husam. His poetry filled with a longing to be with the Friend, Him, or You. Are these mysterious pronouns the names of God, Shams, or who? This is for you, the reader to ponder. Rumi founded the Mevlevi Order of dervishes, better known as the Whirling Dervishes of Sufism. Through a turning movement, body posturing, mental focus, and sound, the dervish achieves ecstasy through union with God. Once a secret society, today the Mevlevi tour the world allowing audiences to witness the ceremony of their sacred dances and music." It is also interesting to note that similar to other major religions, Islam frowns upon dancing and using words such as "gamble," "drunk," and "wine" which you find throughout Rumi's and other great Islamic and Sufi poets writings. Obviously they mean "drunk" on God's grace, but that's not to say they wouldn't be outcast by religious fundamentalists today.
Rumi Poetry
More Rumi
Paintings inspired by the poetry of Rumi
The Still Point of Ecstasy plus a few links to Rumi sites
Enjoy.
A quick excerpt -
"Jelaluddin Rumi was born in the region today known as Afghanistan in 1207. His family fled the Mogul invasion to Konya, Turkey where he spent most of his life.
Rumi following in his father's ancestoral line became a scholar until his meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz. Of this meeting Rumi said, "What I had thought of before as God, I met today in a person."
After Shams, Rumi's other strong influences were Saladin Zarkub, the goldsmith, and later his scribe, Husam.
His poetry filled with a longing to be with the Friend, Him, or You. Are these mysterious pronouns the names of God, Shams, or who? This is for you, the reader to ponder.
Rumi founded the Mevlevi Order of dervishes, better known as the Whirling Dervishes of Sufism. Through a turning movement, body posturing, mental focus, and sound, the dervish achieves ecstasy through union with God. Once a secret society, today the Mevlevi tour the world allowing audiences to witness the ceremony of their sacred dances and music."
It is also interesting to note that similar to other major religions, Islam frowns upon dancing and using words such as "gamble," "drunk," and "wine" which you find throughout Rumi's and other great Islamic and Sufi poets writings. Obviously they mean "drunk" on God's grace, but that's not to say they wouldn't be outcast by religious fundamentalists today.
Peggy--I enjoyed your story. And I like the thing your Dad did-unique idea :-) I try to donate each month to an "earth" cause and a "social" cause. My husband has different ideas about giving though--he prefers to help people directly. People that he knows or has met. So I don't have loads of cash to give, as I give out of my grocery/misc money :-) Anyway, I'll figure something--we're trying to make our home-ed group party have a service component--maybe just collecting food for homeless...maybe making decorations for someone...Brad, glad to hear you feel comfortable with us, and hope that as a whole we prove to be a help for you on your journey :-)Dave, I like the Edison quote! How true even in non scientific endeavors...Bob F-I liked the Rumi quote as well--who or what is Rumi, anyway? I've heard Deepak mention it/him/her--isn't it/he/she poems or a poet of Indian origins? Seems like you mentioned an audio tape that involves Rumi, didn't you?Well, time to write all my Christmas cards and buy and wrap all my gifts--should be done tomorrow--ha! That dang Richard! ;-) Don't forget to recycle your wrapping paper! And to give earth friendly gifts and gifts of time and entertainment when possible/appropriate! And to send your ols Christmas cards to St Jude's ranch to help raise money for orphaned kids! Merriment and peace! Cathy
Brad, glad to hear you feel comfortable with us, and hope that as a whole we prove to be a help for you on your journey :-)
Dave, I like the Edison quote! How true even in non scientific endeavors...
Bob F-I liked the Rumi quote as well--who or what is Rumi, anyway? I've heard Deepak mention it/him/her--isn't it/he/she poems or a poet of Indian origins? Seems like you mentioned an audio tape that involves Rumi, didn't you?
Well, time to write all my Christmas cards and buy and wrap all my gifts--should be done tomorrow--ha! That dang Richard! ;-) Don't forget to recycle your wrapping paper! And to give earth friendly gifts and gifts of time and entertainment when possible/appropriate! And to send your ols Christmas cards to St Jude's ranch to help raise money for orphaned kids!
Merriment and peace!
Cathy
Why :-) do :-) you :-) say :-) that? :-) I've :-) been :-) here :-) all :-) the :-) time! ;-) And :-) what :-) about :-) Pat :-) and :-) ICB? :-) Don't :-) they :-) count? :o)
Did everyone take the day off after a long Thanksgiving Day weekend??
Well we all have a face That we hide away forever And we take them out and show ourselves When everyone has gone Some are satin some are steel Some are silk and some are leather They're the faces of the stranger But we love to try them on Well we all fall in love But we disregard the danger Though we share so many secrets There are some we never tell Why were you so surprised That you never saw the stranger Did you ever let your lover see The stranger in yourself? Don't be afraid to try again Everone goes south Every now and then You've done it, why can't Someone else? You should know by now You've been there yourself Once I used to believe I was such a great romancer Then I came home to a woman That I could not recognize When I pressed her for a reason She refused to even answer It was then I felt the stranger Kick me right between the eyes Well we all fall in love But we disregard the danger Though we share so many secrets There are some we never tell Why were you so surprised That you never saw the stranger Did you ever let your lover see The stranger in yourself? Don't be afraid to try again Everyone goes south Every now and then You've done it why can't Someone else? You should know by now You've been there yourself You may never understand How the stranger is inspired But he isn't always evil And he isn't always wrong Though you drown in good intentions You will never quench the fire You'll give in to your desire When the stranger comes along.
Hairstyles and attitudes, Are they connected? Are styles we embrace a matter of taste, Or values rejected? Hairstyles and attitudes, How do they relate? How well do we use the freedom to choose The illusions we create? Blowdried, bouffant, basic training, cops in drag Dressed up like whores, cowboys in pony tails, Bankers in bangs, presidents in pompous pompadours Mommies in mohawks, daddies in dreadlocks, Heavy metal goldilocks, trying to look tough, The wet look, the dry look, the FBI look, But can you judge a crook by his cover-up? Hairstyles and attitudes, Are they connected? Are styles we embrace a matter of taste, Or values rejected? Hairstyles and attitudes, How do they relate? How well do we use the freedom to choose The illusions we create? Razorcut, lazercut, chopped and channelled, Curled-up, slicked back, hanging in the eyes, Parted left, parted right, straight down the middle, Scientists say your hair never lies, they've done lots of research, It may be just hype, but the latest findings cause me to tremble, They've categorized us into three basic types, By which of the Three Stooges we most closely resemble Hairstyles and attitudes, Are they connected? Are styles we embrace a matter of taste, Or values rejected? Hairstyles and attitudes, How do they relate? How well do we use the freedom to choose The illusions we create?
Blowdried, bouffant, basic training, cops in drag Dressed up like whores, cowboys in pony tails, Bankers in bangs, presidents in pompous pompadours Mommies in mohawks, daddies in dreadlocks, Heavy metal goldilocks, trying to look tough, The wet look, the dry look, the FBI look, But can you judge a crook by his cover-up?
Hairstyles and attitudes, Are they connected? Are styles we embrace a matter of taste, Or values rejected? Hairstyles and attitudes, How do they relate? How well do we use the freedom to choose The illusions we create?
Razorcut, lazercut, chopped and channelled, Curled-up, slicked back, hanging in the eyes, Parted left, parted right, straight down the middle, Scientists say your hair never lies, they've done lots of research, It may be just hype, but the latest findings cause me to tremble, They've categorized us into three basic types, By which of the Three Stooges we most closely resemble
Pat Mac Donald - The true medicine is nonduality - from that place, we don't need either laughter or tears.Namasté
Namasté
I have lived on the lip of insanityWanting to know the reasons,Knocking at the door.It Opens.I have been knocking from the inside.----Rumi
It Opens.
I have been knocking from the inside.
----Rumi
Two medicines I need them everyday Two medicines To keep the doctor away One to drown my sorrows One to face my fears Laughter and tears Laughter and tears Two medicines I swear they ain't no crime Two medicines And they don't cost a dime They heal the body Cleanse the soul Help me master Self control Two medicines Have helped me through the years Laughter and tears Laughter and tears Two medicines Life's little pleasures Two medicines To help relieve the pressures Pressures from without Pressures from within Pressure in my bloodstream Pressure on my skin Pressure from my elders Pressure from my peers Laughter and tears Laughter and tears There was a man so masculine He would not take his medicine No pain could penetrate his pride He kept his feelings locked inside His final years were such a waste That when he died his dear wife placed Upon his grave this epitaph: His life was so funny he forgot to laugh Two medicines Are all we really need Two medicines Effectiveness guaranteed They aid communication Make for better sex You can mix the two together With no bad side effects Two medicines To help you through the years Laughter and tears Laughter and tears Two medicines I need them everyday Two medicines To keep the doctor away One to drown my sorrows One to face my fears Laughter and tears Laughter and tears
Two medicines I swear they ain't no crime Two medicines And they don't cost a dime They heal the body Cleanse the soul Help me master Self control Two medicines Have helped me through the years Laughter and tears Laughter and tears
Two medicines Life's little pleasures Two medicines To help relieve the pressures Pressures from without Pressures from within Pressure in my bloodstream Pressure on my skin Pressure from my elders Pressure from my peers Laughter and tears Laughter and tears
There was a man so masculine He would not take his medicine No pain could penetrate his pride He kept his feelings locked inside His final years were such a waste That when he died his dear wife placed Upon his grave this epitaph: His life was so funny he forgot to laugh
Two medicines Are all we really need Two medicines Effectiveness guaranteed They aid communication Make for better sex You can mix the two together With no bad side effects Two medicines To help you through the years Laughter and tears Laughter and tears
Two medicines I need them everyday Two medicines To keep the doctor away One to drown my sorrows One to face my fears Laughter and tears Laughter and tears
If you like word puzzles beyond the normal crossword variety, you might like Puzzability for some very clever ones.Be sure to work the "Say What?" puzzle every week, because the payoff to solving it is usually a provocative quotation from a famous person.This week's is from Thomas Edison, and says:The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny."The new puzzles are available on Mondays, so if I spoiled this week's for you, bookmark the site and tune in next week. There are daily Hangman-styled puzzles in the "Common Knowledge" section that keep me checking in every day.
Be sure to work the "Say What?" puzzle every week, because the payoff to solving it is usually a provocative quotation from a famous person.
This week's is from Thomas Edison, and says:
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny."
The new puzzles are available on Mondays, so if I spoiled this week's for you, bookmark the site and tune in next week. There are daily Hangman-styled puzzles in the "Common Knowledge" section that keep me checking in every day.
Carol, I bet that's Steve Martin.
S. Martin, i have a friend named Sandy Martin, heh! and i thought i was the ONLY one that knew of Yip si lan ti, Michigan, haha!
Looking out over the East River from my jail cell, and still running for public office, I realize that I have taken several actions in my life for which I owe public apologies. Once, I won a supermarket sweepstakes even though my second cousin was a box boy in that very store. I would like to apologize to Safeway Food, Inc., and its employees. I would like to apologize to my family, who have stood by me, and especially to my wife Karen. A wiser and more loyal spouse could not be found. When I was twenty-one, I smoked marijuana every day for one year. I would like to apologize for the next fifteen years of anxiety attacks and drug-related phobias, including the feeling that when Ed Sullivan introduced Wayne and Shuster he was actually signaling my parents that I was high. I would like to apologize to my wife Karen, who still believes in me, and to the Marijuana Growers Association of Napa Valley and its affiliates, for any embarrassment I may have caused. I would also like to mention a little incident that took place in the Holiday Inn in Ipsilante, Michigan, during that same time. As I was lying in bed in Room 342, I began counting the ceiling tiles. Since the room was square, it was an easy computation, taking no longer than the weekend. As Sunday evening rolled around, I began to compute how many imaginary ceiling tiles it would take to cover the walls and floor of my room. When I checked out of the hotel, I flippantly told the clerk that it would take twelve hundred and ninety-four imaginary ceiling tiles to fill the entire room. Two weeks later, while attempting to break the record for consecutive listenings to "American Pie," I realized I had included the real tiles in my calculation of imaginary tiles; I should have subtracted them from my total. I would like to apologize to the staff of the Holiday Inn for any inconvenience I may have caused, to the wonderful people at Universal Ceiling Tile, to my wife Karen, and to my two children, whose growth is stunted. Several years ago, In California, I ate my first clam and said it tasted "like a gonad dipped in motor oil." I would like to apologize to Bob 'n' Betty's Clam Fiesta, and especially to Bob, who I found out later had only one testicle. I would like to apologize to the waitress, June, and her affiliates, and to the DePaul family dog, who suffered the contents of my nauseated stomach. There are several incidents of sexual harassment I would like to apologize for: In 1992, I was interviewing one Ms. Anna Floyd for a secretarial position when my pants accidentally fell down around my ankles as I was saying, "Ever seen one of these before?" Even though I was referring to my new Pocket Tape Memo Taker, I would like to apologize to Ms. Floyd for any grief this misunderstanding might have caused her. I would also like to apologize to the Pocket Tape people and their affiliates, and to International Hardwood Designs, whose floor my pants fell upon. I would especially like to apologize to my wife Karen, whose great understanding fills me with humility. Once, in Hawaii, I had sex with a hundred-and-two-year-old male turtle. It is hard to argue that it was consensual. I would like to apologize to the turtle, his family, the Kahala Hilton Hotel, and the hundred or so diners who were eating at the Hilton's outdoor café. I would also like to apologize to my loyal wife Karen, who had to endure the subsequent news item in the "Also Noted" section of the Santa Barbara Women's Club Weekly. In 1987, I attended a bar mitzvah in Manhattan while wearing white gabardine pants, white patent-leather slippers, a blue blazer with gold buttons, and a yachting cap. I would like to apologize to the Jewish people, to the state of Israel, to my family, who have stood by me, and to my wife, Karen, who has also endured my seventeen affairs and three out-of-wedlock children. Further, I would like to apologize to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, for referring to its members as "colored people." My apology would not be complete if it didn't include my new wife, Nancy, who is of a pinkish tint, and our two children, who are white-colored. Finally, I would like to apologize for spontaneously yelling the word "Savages!" after losing six thousand dollars on a roulette spin at the Choctaw Nation Casino and Sports Book. When I was growing up, the meaning of this word in our household closely approximated the Hawaiian "Aloha," and my use of it in the casino was meant to express "Until we meet again." Now, on with the campaign!
Once, I won a supermarket sweepstakes even though my second cousin was a box boy in that very store. I would like to apologize to Safeway Food, Inc., and its employees. I would like to apologize to my family, who have stood by me, and especially to my wife Karen. A wiser and more loyal spouse could not be found.
When I was twenty-one, I smoked marijuana every day for one year. I would like to apologize for the next fifteen years of anxiety attacks and drug-related phobias, including the feeling that when Ed Sullivan introduced Wayne and Shuster he was actually signaling my parents that I was high. I would like to apologize to my wife Karen, who still believes in me, and to the Marijuana Growers Association of Napa Valley and its affiliates, for any embarrassment I may have caused.
I would also like to mention a little incident that took place in the Holiday Inn in Ipsilante, Michigan, during that same time. As I was lying in bed in Room 342, I began counting the ceiling tiles. Since the room was square, it was an easy computation, taking no longer than the weekend. As Sunday evening rolled around, I began to compute how many imaginary ceiling tiles it would take to cover the walls and floor of my room. When I checked out of the hotel, I flippantly told the clerk that it would take twelve hundred and ninety-four imaginary ceiling tiles to fill the entire room. Two weeks later, while attempting to break the record for consecutive listenings to "American Pie," I realized I had included the real tiles in my calculation of imaginary tiles; I should have subtracted them from my total. I would like to apologize to the staff of the Holiday Inn for any inconvenience I may have caused, to the wonderful people at Universal Ceiling Tile, to my wife Karen, and to my two children, whose growth is stunted.
Several years ago, In California, I ate my first clam and said it tasted "like a gonad dipped in motor oil." I would like to apologize to Bob 'n' Betty's Clam Fiesta, and especially to Bob, who I found out later had only one testicle. I would like to apologize to the waitress, June, and her affiliates, and to the DePaul family dog, who suffered the contents of my nauseated stomach.
There are several incidents of sexual harassment I would like to apologize for:
In 1992, I was interviewing one Ms. Anna Floyd for a secretarial position when my pants accidentally fell down around my ankles as I was saying, "Ever seen one of these before?" Even though I was referring to my new Pocket Tape Memo Taker, I would like to apologize to Ms. Floyd for any grief this misunderstanding might have caused her. I would also like to apologize to the Pocket Tape people and their affiliates, and to International Hardwood Designs, whose floor my pants fell upon. I would especially like to apologize to my wife Karen, whose great understanding fills me with humility.
Once, in Hawaii, I had sex with a hundred-and-two-year-old male turtle. It is hard to argue that it was consensual. I would like to apologize to the turtle, his family, the Kahala Hilton Hotel, and the hundred or so diners who were eating at the Hilton's outdoor café. I would also like to apologize to my loyal wife Karen, who had to endure the subsequent news item in the "Also Noted" section of the Santa Barbara Women's Club Weekly.
In 1987, I attended a bar mitzvah in Manhattan while wearing white gabardine pants, white patent-leather slippers, a blue blazer with gold buttons, and a yachting cap. I would like to apologize to the Jewish people, to the state of Israel, to my family, who have stood by me, and to my wife, Karen, who has also endured my seventeen affairs and three out-of-wedlock children. Further, I would like to apologize to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, for referring to its members as "colored people." My apology would not be complete if it didn't include my new wife, Nancy, who is of a pinkish tint, and our two children, who are white-colored.
Finally, I would like to apologize for spontaneously yelling the word "Savages!" after losing six thousand dollars on a roulette spin at the Choctaw Nation Casino and Sports Book. When I was growing up, the meaning of this word in our household closely approximated the Hawaiian "Aloha," and my use of it in the casino was meant to express "Until we meet again."
Now, on with the campaign!
thanks, Bob F, i'll be looking forward to the time that you can record and send the tapes. let me know what i need to do in response?BOOOOO! Richard!! ;)beautiful story, Peggy, thanks for sharing....i loved the things to ponder, too, Pegs! Dear, Brad, here's a little prayer that the door of happiness will open wide for you, today.Pilar, acceptance and surrender always works real good for me, i hope it does for you, too!
BOOOOO! Richard!! ;)
beautiful story, Peggy, thanks for sharing....
i loved the things to ponder, too, Pegs!
Dear, Brad, here's a little prayer that the door of happiness will open wide for you, today.
Pilar, acceptance and surrender always works real good for me, i hope it does for you, too!
Thank you all for the support. I do not participate in forums, but this may be meaningful, at least for awhile, to gain a new perspective, to really change my perception, for I cannot cannot keep calling my friends raging about my relationships. I have read Deepak, and I am a major follower of my friend Dr. Carolyn Myss and course, Gary Zukav...I read a little excerpt about anger from him today, and he says don't project it, really take a look at what's driving it. My boss says, a former actor, look at the 7 Whys!!! Why am I feeling this? Yesterday, coming home on the highway, the traffic was so horrific, and I turned around at a dead stop and started screaming at a young man who was too close. God, don't I get it? He could have pulled a 57 magnum Don't I get that this rage can destroy me ultimately? Anyway, my rel. w/the unavailable man, whom I 'think' is emotionally abusing me by not calling to just even check in, is igniting every part of my self righteousness, rage, and victimization. Hence, I'm looking at this through a broader lens---this is such a lesson to help me not burn my bridges, slash and burn, and maybe take a hard look at my emotions/reactions. Hey guys, why do they say,um excuse me, but that person in the relationship is YOU??! Like attracts like...And my friend told me that he needs to be accepted exactly for who he is. And maybe he is testing me....to really see if I can, well, he's doing a good job. Oh my I'm prating endlessly...All I can do now is take it a day at a time and pray for all, esp. him. I think I'm hurting cus I'm recieving so much of his negative energy....for he is shutting down and will not reach out and let anyone know what is going on with him....So I choose acceptance and surrender today.
Peggy great posts. Very inspiring.
When I was about 16 I began to train in Martial Arts. A very strict and strong (in the physical sense) form of Karate known as Kyokoshin. We would train for two hours at a time. The first hour was for basics, hundreds of kicks, punches etc up and down the room. Four and a half years I trained. As mentioned in earlier posts, I don't have the killer instinct so when the injuries began to mount up I quit. But from all the basics I still move my body in the same way. Defensive reflex actions are precise and quick. I'm no Bruce Lee but the physical 'key' had been set.Mentally, it's a different matter. Maybe just harder, but you have the concious/subconcious battle. I feel that the conscious is actually fairly weak but if it can go through the motions often enough and regularly enough then maybe positive change can result. That maybe the eighteen or so years it takes us to get through childhood. I and many others spend the best part of our adult lives trying to reshape that key.I believe that I have been trying this, on my own for at least 20 years and I’m damned if I can notice one bit of extra happiness in my life from the inside. I make a distinction here, between intrinsic and extrinsic happiness. "I OK because i'm a good person or I’m OK because everything is fine right now." But Richard and Cathy might have something. One thing I wanted to say to Pilar was to look to small and practical steps to solve a tangible situation. Maybe what you are telling us needs to be said to him? In a nice way offcourse.Peggy I don't have a therapist (psychoanalysis?) or a psychiatrist. I have to keep the whole thing from my family so in a small town it's all I can do to get the Medication. I changed from Proz to Effexor about three years ago. I don't know what the difference has been really except I don't sweat as much. A shrink that I did see pointed out to me that I am prone to shoot myself in the foot, which is typical with this kind of illness. I have noticed on many occasions that I am much more comfortable (not happy) with failure. Success for me is often difficult, not only to deal with but to identify.BobF I have often thought about that karmic lesson thing. Something happened to me in the eighties (nothing weird but personal) that was so painful, so monumental that it had the air of the surreal almost biblical in its proportions (at least in my head). I could not believe it was happening to me! I lost more than one dream at that time and I have been treading water ever since. I do know that negative thoughts pop up and destroy me. They sabotage even the best of times.I didn't actually have the view of this place being like group therapy and I hope none of you will be offended but most of you seem a little older than me and seem to have progressed through life on reasonably acceptable pathways. Not all I'm sure. But I do feel comfortable here and I am willing to hear and learn and maybe help. Brad.
Mentally, it's a different matter. Maybe just harder, but you have the concious/subconcious battle. I feel that the conscious is actually fairly weak but if it can go through the motions often enough and regularly enough then maybe positive change can result. That maybe the eighteen or so years it takes us to get through childhood. I and many others spend the best part of our adult lives trying to reshape that key.
I believe that I have been trying this, on my own for at least 20 years and I’m damned if I can notice one bit of extra happiness in my life from the inside. I make a distinction here, between intrinsic and extrinsic happiness. "I OK because i'm a good person or I’m OK because everything is fine right now." But Richard and Cathy might have something. One thing I wanted to say to Pilar was to look to small and practical steps to solve a tangible situation. Maybe what you are telling us needs to be said to him? In a nice way offcourse.
Peggy I don't have a therapist (psychoanalysis?) or a psychiatrist. I have to keep the whole thing from my family so in a small town it's all I can do to get the Medication. I changed from Proz to Effexor about three years ago. I don't know what the difference has been really except I don't sweat as much. A shrink that I did see pointed out to me that I am prone to shoot myself in the foot, which is typical with this kind of illness. I have noticed on many occasions that I am much more comfortable (not happy) with failure. Success for me is often difficult, not only to deal with but to identify.
BobF I have often thought about that karmic lesson thing. Something happened to me in the eighties (nothing weird but personal) that was so painful, so monumental that it had the air of the surreal almost biblical in its proportions (at least in my head). I could not believe it was happening to me! I lost more than one dream at that time and I have been treading water ever since. I do know that negative thoughts pop up and destroy me. They sabotage even the best of times.
I didn't actually have the view of this place being like group therapy and I hope none of you will be offended but most of you seem a little older than me and seem to have progressed through life on reasonably acceptable pathways. Not all I'm sure. But I do feel comfortable here and I am willing to hear and learn and maybe help. Brad.
How affluent are you? The following was sent to me from a friend over the Thanksgiving holidays: "In the spirit of Thanksgiving, the following is something to ponder. If I woke up this morning with more health than illness, I am more blessed than the million who will not survive this week. If I have never experienced the danger of battle, the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture, or the pangs of starvation, I am ahead of 500 million people in the world. If I can attend a church meeting without fear of harassment, arrest, torture, or death, I am more blessed than three billion people in the world. If I have food in the refrigerator, clothes on my back, a roof overhead and a place to sleep, I am richer than 75% of this world. If I have money in the bank, in my wallet, and spare change in a dish someplace, I am among the top 8% of the world's wealthy. If I hold up my head with a smile on my face and am truly thankful, I am blessed because the majority can, but most do not. If I can hold someone's hand, hug them or even touch them on the shoulder, I am blessed because I can offer healing touch. If I can read this message, I just received a double blessing in that someone was thinking of me, and furthermore, I am more blessed than over two billion people in the world that cannot read at all." Namaste
"In the spirit of Thanksgiving, the following is something to ponder.
If I woke up this morning with more health than illness, I am more blessed than the million who will not survive this week.
If I have never experienced the danger of battle, the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture, or the pangs of starvation, I am ahead of 500 million people in the world.
If I can attend a church meeting without fear of harassment, arrest, torture, or death, I am more blessed than three billion people in the world.
If I have food in the refrigerator, clothes on my back, a roof overhead and a place to sleep, I am richer than 75% of this world.
If I have money in the bank, in my wallet, and spare change in a dish someplace, I am among the top 8% of the world's wealthy.
If I hold up my head with a smile on my face and am truly thankful, I am blessed because the majority can, but most do not.
If I can hold someone's hand, hug them or even touch them on the shoulder, I am blessed because I can offer healing touch.
If I can read this message, I just received a double blessing in that someone was thinking of me, and furthermore, I am more blessed than over two billion people in the world that cannot read at all."
Namaste
Cathy, this is an answer to your question about community service but the story goes back eleven years. After my dad died in 1989, I had a lot of trouble dealing with the grief. It triggered a battle with depression and I had to quit teaching because of it. To try to make myself feel better, I would go for a walk every day. One day, as I passed a certain magnolia tree that I loved, I found a penny. Lucky me, I thought, and I put that penny in the removeable head of my walking stick. A few days later, as I approached the magnolia tree, I saw another penny. It made me think about how my dad used to put coins along the street because he knew a poor man who road his bicycle for miles each day looking for lost coins. And I thought to myself that maybe these pennies were a way that my dad had for giving me a nudge. I decided that if I found another penny at the same tree, I would acknowledge that these pennies were not just a coincidence. The very next day, there was my penny waiting for me at the magnolia tree. So I began to collect pennies that I found and I called them my "pennies from heaven." Last September I decided to take the pennies that I had found, match them and send a check to the local homeless mission for Thanksgiving. Before filling out the check, I asked DaveR if he would like to contribute too. He did and I matched his funds too. All together we fed thirty people on Thanksgiving Day. I thought about just keeping the pennies and sending the check. But I've decided that pennies from heaven need to be in circulation. So, with the exception of the original three, I'm cashing them in. Now I find pennies almost every day. I found three in a pair of shoes last week, two when I went out for some air on Thanksgiving Day. My father was a very compassionate and giving person. He always believed in helping anyone down on their luck. I know he would have liked what has become of those pennies. So, the next time that you find a coin, consider setting it aside to help someone next year. I would dearly love to see the idea spread. And giving is certainly a way of expressing gratitude at Thanksgiving. Thanks for asking.
After my dad died in 1989, I had a lot of trouble dealing with the grief. It triggered a battle with depression and I had to quit teaching because of it.
To try to make myself feel better, I would go for a walk every day. One day, as I passed a certain magnolia tree that I loved, I found a penny. Lucky me, I thought, and I put that penny in the removeable head of my walking stick.
A few days later, as I approached the magnolia tree, I saw another penny. It made me think about how my dad used to put coins along the street because he knew a poor man who road his bicycle for miles each day looking for lost coins. And I thought to myself that maybe these pennies were a way that my dad had for giving me a nudge. I decided that if I found another penny at the same tree, I would acknowledge that these pennies were not just a coincidence.
The very next day, there was my penny waiting for me at the magnolia tree.
So I began to collect pennies that I found and I called them my "pennies from heaven." Last September I decided to take the pennies that I had found, match them and send a check to the local homeless mission for Thanksgiving. Before filling out the check, I asked DaveR if he would like to contribute too. He did and I matched his funds too. All together we fed thirty people on Thanksgiving Day.
I thought about just keeping the pennies and sending the check. But I've decided that pennies from heaven need to be in circulation. So, with the exception of the original three, I'm cashing them in.
Now I find pennies almost every day. I found three in a pair of shoes last week, two when I went out for some air on Thanksgiving Day.
My father was a very compassionate and giving person. He always believed in helping anyone down on their luck. I know he would have liked what has become of those pennies.
So, the next time that you find a coin, consider setting it aside to help someone next year. I would dearly love to see the idea spread. And giving is certainly a way of expressing gratitude at Thanksgiving.
Thanks for asking.
Geoff & Cathy - It seems we are in agreement that we, at some level, manifest all sickness / healing / wellness that our physical bodies encounter. Just as we manifest all that is!Peggy - I think I know what you mean in that if the mind is the part that is sick - how does it positively reinforce healing itself? This area involving the mind actually being sick is fuzzy for me for it is our main vehicle determining how we perceive "reality".That being said, I think an illness of the mind (as well as any other part of the body) is being manifested by our spirit within the confines of karmic lessons we need to learn. Therefore, it seems possible, that once we learn whatever karmic lesson we are supposed to from the mental illness, our spirit would return our mind to wholeness. Then again, I could be way out in left field.Namasté
Peggy - I think I know what you mean in that if the mind is the part that is sick - how does it positively reinforce healing itself? This area involving the mind actually being sick is fuzzy for me for it is our main vehicle determining how we perceive "reality".
That being said, I think an illness of the mind (as well as any other part of the body) is being manifested by our spirit within the confines of karmic lessons we need to learn. Therefore, it seems possible, that once we learn whatever karmic lesson we are supposed to from the mental illness, our spirit would return our mind to wholeness. Then again, I could be way out in left field.
Geoff-I have thought of that same thing--that we manifest illness as well :-) As I mentioned here once before, in my opinion, most people don't consciously manifest everything--there are levels, and reasons etc...that we may not be aware of that influence things. Now we can work to become aware, or we can also just operate on the assumption that things are as they should be--which could include efforts to overcome illness--but with a sense of detachment from the ultimate outcome--seems sorta paradoxical eh? To affirm health or whatever, but welcoming whatever results. I used to think that this was just an out for this whole idea--a way to incorporate continued illness despite efforts etc...so that you couldn't claim the whole idea a farce :-) I know many of you probably still think that is the case...but, for whatever reason it makes sense to me. Not unlike thinking God answers some prayers but not all prayers--or that He answers them though we don't always understand the whys. Whatever, I think it's a great way to live--to feel that there is hope and power available to you, and that whatever results is okay--very peaceful :-)You all gave Pilar great advice! I'll just add my wish for resolution of the anger and hurt...it'll come!Richard, you dirty dog! I haven't started shopping or cards! But I do like doing things in December--feels more holidayish for me :-) One day when my kids are grown, I'll be like you :-) I used to be organized :-)Anybody do anything "special" for the holidays as far as community service type things? I try to do small projects around this time and would enjoy inspiration. I try to do things year round, actually, but they often center more around the environment. I'd like to do some sort of volunteer work that was more people oriented--am exploring possibilities...Happy Holidays!Peggy--Regarding your question--I'm thinking that if one could force oneself to do some sort of "practice" as Richard mentioned with the prayer for the person with whom we were angry--that is, while it might be without conviction at first--then possibly, "positive thinking" might even help those with clinical depression. I don't mean to sound trite--or that it would be quick. And I really have no idea--just seems to me...:-)Blessings!Cathy
I have thought of that same thing--that we manifest illness as well :-) As I mentioned here once before, in my opinion, most people don't consciously manifest everything--there are levels, and reasons etc...that we may not be aware of that influence things. Now we can work to become aware, or we can also just operate on the assumption that things are as they should be--which could include efforts to overcome illness--but with a sense of detachment from the ultimate outcome--seems sorta paradoxical eh? To affirm health or whatever, but welcoming whatever results. I used to think that this was just an out for this whole idea--a way to incorporate continued illness despite efforts etc...so that you couldn't claim the whole idea a farce :-) I know many of you probably still think that is the case...but, for whatever reason it makes sense to me. Not unlike thinking God answers some prayers but not all prayers--or that He answers them though we don't always understand the whys. Whatever, I think it's a great way to live--to feel that there is hope and power available to you, and that whatever results is okay--very peaceful :-)
You all gave Pilar great advice! I'll just add my wish for resolution of the anger and hurt...it'll come!
Richard, you dirty dog! I haven't started shopping or cards! But I do like doing things in December--feels more holidayish for me :-) One day when my kids are grown, I'll be like you :-) I used to be organized :-)
Anybody do anything "special" for the holidays as far as community service type things? I try to do small projects around this time and would enjoy inspiration. I try to do things year round, actually, but they often center more around the environment. I'd like to do some sort of volunteer work that was more people oriented--am exploring possibilities...
Happy Holidays!
Peggy--Regarding your question--I'm thinking that if one could force oneself to do some sort of "practice" as Richard mentioned with the prayer for the person with whom we were angry--that is, while it might be without conviction at first--then possibly, "positive thinking" might even help those with clinical depression. I don't mean to sound trite--or that it would be quick. And I really have no idea--just seems to me...:-)
Blessings!
Bob F., I do believe that there is healing power in positive thinking and that science will be able to reveal more and more about the connection. But what does a sick person do when the very thing that allows one to think positively is the thing that is damaged?
Brad, I have at least a rough idea of the kind of pain you are talking about. I remember the confusion, the lack of will, the feelings of suffocation. When was the last time your doctor changed your meds? Have you considered finding a different therapist? (I know that I am making a lot of assumptions.) One thing that I do know is that depression clouds vision. It muddles everything -- including the ability to focus and see things clearly. I hope that you will feel comfortable talking about your illness here.
One thing that I do know is that depression clouds vision. It muddles everything -- including the ability to focus and see things clearly. I hope that you will feel comfortable talking about your illness here.
Pilar, Rx for pain or .03 cent therapy. This comes from the same people who,"don't want to rent out space in one's head." This has worked for me, and literally countless others. Pray for that person, regularly/daily, for two weeks. Ask that he may be given the gifts/joy/happiness, that you would treasure/love for yourself. Sometimes it's with clenched teeth, in the beginning. But when two weeks are up you will have gotten relief from pain/anger/hate/resentment. So you might give it a try, nothing to lose but your pain. What ever, hope things work out for you. There is much support here, and probably around you. Use what you need. Now so everyone can boo and hiss me!!!My Christmas cards are all mailed. And I have only two gifts left to pick out and mail. So, I guess it's illegal to throw lawyers/carpet baggers/news people, into Florida swamps. It would make the alligators sick and/or create a Super Fund Site. Namaste', merriment, laughter, and light
Rx for pain or .03 cent therapy. This comes from the same people who,"don't want to rent out space in one's head." This has worked for me, and literally countless others.
Pray for that person, regularly/daily, for two weeks. Ask that he may be given the gifts/joy/happiness, that you would treasure/love for yourself. Sometimes it's with clenched teeth, in the beginning. But when two weeks are up you will have gotten relief from pain/anger/hate/resentment. So you might give it a try, nothing to lose but your pain.
What ever, hope things work out for you. There is much support here, and probably around you. Use what you need.
Now so everyone can boo and hiss me!!!My Christmas cards are all mailed. And I have only two gifts left to pick out and mail.
So, I guess it's illegal to throw lawyers/carpet baggers/news people, into Florida swamps. It would make the alligators sick and/or create a Super Fund Site.
Namaste', merriment, laughter, and light
G'day Bob, Without wishing to appear a smartie, if 'we manifest everything' then we must be manifesting our illnesses even if it's on a subconscious level. :) Seriously though, if you'd suggested two years ago that on 'some level' I had created my experience of schizophrenia, I would have absolutely scoffed at such an idea. Nowadays, I'm very grateful for the opportunity to have navigated my way through such an experience. It sure forced me to look and dig deeper than a nice, safe, comfortable, normal existence would have. :) But one has to say that at this stage there are relatively few who do navigate their way successfully through the labyrinth of psychosis, so it's not an easy one to get your head around. One thing's for sure, IF I had listened to the conventional wisdom I would never have got from where I was to where I am ... As for the election, call it a draw and have a re-match. Whoever 'wins' it at this stage is inheriting a very dubious 'prize' anyway. Namaste
Without wishing to appear a smartie, if 'we manifest everything' then we must be manifesting our illnesses even if it's on a subconscious level. :)
Seriously though, if you'd suggested two years ago that on 'some level' I had created my experience of schizophrenia, I would have absolutely scoffed at such an idea. Nowadays, I'm very grateful for the opportunity to have navigated my way through such an experience. It sure forced me to look and dig deeper than a nice, safe, comfortable, normal existence would have. :)
But one has to say that at this stage there are relatively few who do navigate their way successfully through the labyrinth of psychosis, so it's not an easy one to get your head around. One thing's for sure, IF I had listened to the conventional wisdom I would never have got from where I was to where I am ...
As for the election, call it a draw and have a re-match. Whoever 'wins' it at this stage is inheriting a very dubious 'prize' anyway.
Lennie--I am fairly close to Gainesville--ee me privately, if you want, and I can tell you more specifically...how funny :-)Cathy
Is it just me or is everybody getting tired of the non-give and non-take of the election? The line in the sand keeps moving no matter what courts say. This is a supreme example of mankind's ego and childish side running amuk - an example of mankind working at a very low level of awareness.Na...Na...Na.Na...Na - my votes are more than your votes.Namasté
This is a supreme example of mankind's ego and childish side running amuk - an example of mankind working at a very low level of awareness.
Na...Na...Na.Na...Na - my votes are more than your votes.
Sorry for all the typos...
I remember once being able to close my eyes and drift off into this state where I would awaken and feel rested... Now, I am diaper-burp man ! Got this diaper thingy down to the point that no matter which direction the call comes from, I am up in my cape, drop in, change the burp and baby the diaper in about 2 minutes flat. Unless it becomes a half hour as I undo what it was I was supposed to do (and I would not change a bit of it for anything !). Wow, is it really Sunday ? Has a whole week gone by ? Did anyone win the election ? Does anybody still care ? This is way better than caffeine. Thanks to all for your greetings. I am so glad not to have made the top ten of posters (knowing my checkered past). I wanted to say a quck word to Pilar. There is a lesson in all of this for both of you. As an observer doing a quick read (and someone who at one time lured another into an affair/visit from afar - a part of my past that was difficult to face), you are both responsible adults and that means responsible for your actions, reactions, anger, expectations, feelings and everything else. I saw the earlier post from the lady wanting romance from her boyfriend and saw a few parallels to your situation. Both you and that lady seem to want more than either man is willing to provide and your relationship 'strategy' is not working. What neither of you seems ready to face is that the man is either scared or (gasp !) seduced, shut down and moved on. I am not sure what hurts most facing that 'truth' or never knowing what is the truth. Everyone involved has sewn (or is it sown) seeds of karma and each is working it out in your own way. There are many possible lessons at work here. The trick is to see which one fits this situation for you. The key is also to take responsibility and ask yourself, what have I not listened to in this message or ignored to get what I wanted ? What also has he done to get what he wanted ? No easy answers, just tough, hard work. When you can face those answers, no matter what they are, you have leasrned from this past, given yourself the tools to repair yourself and the freedom to make different choices in the future. I agree with Tad James (of NLP fame) who says, relationship problems are a result of negative programming or unfulfilled strategies. We could talk all night about negative programming and its causes. When you boil it down to its barest essentials, you and you alone have the keys to your own happiness. They can never be found in the arms of another (although it sure can feel gooooooddddd). ;-) Until you are happy with yourself, you cannot be happy with another. I think you know what I mean.
Wow, is it really Sunday ? Has a whole week gone by ? Did anyone win the election ? Does anybody still care ? This is way better than caffeine.
Thanks to all for your greetings. I am so glad not to have made the top ten of posters (knowing my checkered past).
I wanted to say a quck word to Pilar. There is a lesson in all of this for both of you. As an observer doing a quick read (and someone who at one time lured another into an affair/visit from afar - a part of my past that was difficult to face), you are both responsible adults and that means responsible for your actions, reactions, anger, expectations, feelings and everything else.
I saw the earlier post from the lady wanting romance from her boyfriend and saw a few parallels to your situation. Both you and that lady seem to want more than either man is willing to provide and your relationship 'strategy' is not working. What neither of you seems ready to face is that the man is either scared or (gasp !) seduced, shut down and moved on. I am not sure what hurts most facing that 'truth' or never knowing what is the truth.
Everyone involved has sewn (or is it sown) seeds of karma and each is working it out in your own way. There are many possible lessons at work here. The trick is to see which one fits this situation for you.
The key is also to take responsibility and ask yourself, what have I not listened to in this message or ignored to get what I wanted ? What also has he done to get what he wanted ? No easy answers, just tough, hard work. When you can face those answers, no matter what they are, you have leasrned from this past, given yourself the tools to repair yourself and the freedom to make different choices in the future.
I agree with Tad James (of NLP fame) who says, relationship problems are a result of negative programming or unfulfilled strategies. We could talk all night about negative programming and its causes. When you boil it down to its barest essentials, you and you alone have the keys to your own happiness. They can never be found in the arms of another (although it sure can feel gooooooddddd). ;-)
Until you are happy with yourself, you cannot be happy with another. I think you know what I mean.
While backtracking along "memory lane" in the archives, I ran across this wonderful post:----------------------- On Saturday, September 5, 1998, Tom G. (photog03@sprynet.com)@199.174.148.136 said: While watching Candid Camera last night, they did a gag where a store gave out no change. When a man was confronted with the fact that he wasn't going to get the 60 cents owed to him in change, he just accepted it and started walking away. When Peter Funt called him back and asked why he wasn't upset, he replied: "I don't let people rent space in my head." It struck me as somewhat profound at the time and are words I want to remember.----------------------------Tom, I couldn't agree with you more!
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On Saturday, September 5, 1998, Tom G. (photog03@sprynet.com)@199.174.148.136 said:
While watching Candid Camera last night, they did a gag where a store gave out no change. When a man was confronted with the fact that he wasn't going to get the 60 cents owed to him in change, he just accepted it and started walking away. When Peter Funt called him back and asked why he wasn't upset, he replied:
"I don't let people rent space in my head."
It struck me as somewhat profound at the time and are words I want to remember.
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Tom, I couldn't agree with you more!
Cathy i am in gainesville,where are you? PillarI hope your pain lets up soon,I can relate to a lot of what you are saying,and it sounds like your friend is afraid of being happy which I think comes from a conditioned past,which only he can answer and believe me I dont think you would really feel better hurting him so he can feel your pain I think he knows a lot about pain that is probably a lot of his recluse thing.Mind you these are only my thoughts coming from my conditioning as well,pain from the heart is a learned response,yes I do think we have the power to change or control them ,that does not always mean we do the so called right thing for everyone concerned, I hope I am not confusing you more .Only you can proceed and make your own decisions what ever they may be ,just know I can relate to your pain and I know it hurts really bad .
PillarI hope your pain lets up soon,I can relate to a lot of what you are saying,and it sounds like your friend is afraid of being happy which I think comes from a conditioned past,which only he can answer and believe me I dont think you would really feel better hurting him so he can feel your pain I think he knows a lot about pain that is probably a lot of his recluse thing.Mind you these are only my thoughts coming from my conditioning as well,pain from the heart is a learned response,yes I do think we have the power to change or control them ,that does not always mean we do the so called right thing for everyone concerned, I hope I am not confusing you more .Only you can proceed and make your own decisions what ever they may be ,just know I can relate to your pain and I know it hurts really bad .
Geoff - I have heard our organs and bodies "remember" what it is like to be whole. Supposedly, when we get sick and our bodies are "out of balance", if we meditate on the particular area involved and ask it to remember and return to wholeness, we greatly assist (or cause) the healing process.All I can say is the very few times I have been sick, I have tried the approach and have never been sick for long.It brings up the whole question of do we intentionally manifest our illnesses and therefore our cures - I contend yes - we manifest sickness / wellness on a very cellular level.Namasté
All I can say is the very few times I have been sick, I have tried the approach and have never been sick for long.
It brings up the whole question of do we intentionally manifest our illnesses and therefore our cures - I contend yes - we manifest sickness / wellness on a very cellular level.
Pilar what you are going through is a very normal reaction to your situation I think. Spend however much time you need to feel what you genuinely feel and don't put energy in resisting your authentic feelings or beating yourself up for having them. It only makes them stronger. I think you answered many of your own questions. You recognize that it is not healthy to keep the rage within you and this rage is a projection to this man that you can't let go. Letting go is easy really. Just do it. If you can't, then quietly examine what you are getting out of hanging on. Most of the time we hang on because of fear or ego or a sense of lack within ourselves. Once we truly recognize that we are sacrificing peace and love for a shadow gratification of fear it becomes much easier to let it go. Recognize that you are truly loveable and that you are perfect and complete exactly the way you are. Your perception of lack is an illusion. If you can approach the situation from that place you will see things differently. Best of luck to you.
I think you answered many of your own questions. You recognize that it is not healthy to keep the rage within you and this rage is a projection to this man that you can't let go. Letting go is easy really. Just do it. If you can't, then quietly examine what you are getting out of hanging on. Most of the time we hang on because of fear or ego or a sense of lack within ourselves. Once we truly recognize that we are sacrificing peace and love for a shadow gratification of fear it becomes much easier to let it go.
Recognize that you are truly loveable and that you are perfect and complete exactly the way you are. Your perception of lack is an illusion. If you can approach the situation from that place you will see things differently.
Best of luck to you.
Carol - Sorry on the tapes, everyone else E Mailed me and I did not pick up your post on being interested. My duplicating equipment is not hooked up as yet but when it is, I will see what is involved and we can take it from there.Namasté
Pilar, I would go along with Carol's response to you. There's just an outline of what's really going on with you in your description. I would suspect that it would be very hard for you to accept any feedback that was offered to you at this stage, with so few facts for others to go on.It may not be comfortable for you to give more information to total strangers about your situation, your own contributions to the way things have developed, past experiences in similar relationships, etc. That might best be left to someone you can really confide in, and who knows you personally.General answers such as "talk it over with a close friend" are about the best that can be offered from people here, in my opinion. If the sharing of some of the less personal aspects of your problem wouldn't be too painful, maybe more of us could give you something really useful.I am sorry for your hurts and frustrations, and hope you will be comfortable giving more of a picture of what's going on with you. There are some very sensitive and caring people who visit here, and many have probably had experiences like yours that they worked through themselves or have helped their friends work through.It's trite, but also true, that time has a way of healing things, and the time it takes you to discuss this problem, and to get responses from others, and to consider what those responses mean for you, will assist you in coming to correct answers for your own good.Just know that you're not being ignored, and that there are feelings for your situation being shared by those who read here. Surely some of us can offer the words to help you.
There's just an outline of what's really going on with you in your description. I would suspect that it would be very hard for you to accept any feedback that was offered to you at this stage, with so few facts for others to go on.
It may not be comfortable for you to give more information to total strangers about your situation, your own contributions to the way things have developed, past experiences in similar relationships, etc. That might best be left to someone you can really confide in, and who knows you personally.
General answers such as "talk it over with a close friend" are about the best that can be offered from people here, in my opinion. If the sharing of some of the less personal aspects of your problem wouldn't be too painful, maybe more of us could give you something really useful.
I am sorry for your hurts and frustrations, and hope you will be comfortable giving more of a picture of what's going on with you. There are some very sensitive and caring people who visit here, and many have probably had experiences like yours that they worked through themselves or have helped their friends work through.
It's trite, but also true, that time has a way of healing things, and the time it takes you to discuss this problem, and to get responses from others, and to consider what those responses mean for you, will assist you in coming to correct answers for your own good.
Just know that you're not being ignored, and that there are feelings for your situation being shared by those who read here. Surely some of us can offer the words to help you.
~ Friday, November 17, 2000 ~ Q: How can someone discover their Dharma when they've repeatedly experienced the manifestation of what they "thought" would be an ideal vocation only to have been extremely disappointed each time? A: The only reason we become disappointed is because we are attached to our idea of how something should be. We strive so hard to make our lives predictable, we soon become bored with it and when it isn't how we think it should be, we grow frustrated and disappointed. The solution is to embrace uncertainty. By all means have your desires but then let them go and surrender to whatever manifests. If you are willing to step into uncertainty at every moment, everything will always be fresh and alive and you will never feel disappointed again. Deepak Choprawww.chopra.com
Q: How can someone discover their Dharma when they've repeatedly experienced the manifestation of what they "thought" would be an ideal vocation only to have been extremely disappointed each time?
A: The only reason we become disappointed is because we are attached to our idea of how something should be. We strive so hard to make our lives predictable, we soon become bored with it and when it isn't how we think it should be, we grow frustrated and disappointed. The solution is to embrace uncertainty. By all means have your desires but then let them go and surrender to whatever manifests. If you are willing to step into uncertainty at every moment, everything will always be fresh and alive and you will never feel disappointed again.
Deepak Choprawww.chopra.com
~ Thursday, November 16, 2000 ~ Q: How can we free ourselves from emotional pain caused by things that happened in our past, for example during childhood? A: The most important thing you can do is to forgive. If the pain was caused by another person, you need to forgive that person. If you feel responsible in some way then you need to forgive yourself. We can condemn an act but we should never condemn a person. Everyone, including you, is always doing the best he or she can from his or her current level of consciousness. Perhaps some wrong was done but now it's time to forgive. When you forgive, you make room in your heart for love and love is the greatest healer of all pains. Deepak Choprawww.chopra.com
Q: How can we free ourselves from emotional pain caused by things that happened in our past, for example during childhood?
A: The most important thing you can do is to forgive. If the pain was caused by another person, you need to forgive that person. If you feel responsible in some way then you need to forgive yourself. We can condemn an act but we should never condemn a person. Everyone, including you, is always doing the best he or she can from his or her current level of consciousness. Perhaps some wrong was done but now it's time to forgive. When you forgive, you make room in your heart for love and love is the greatest healer of all pains.
dear Pilar, my heart goes out to you and i hope your pain subsides, soon. i would need so much more information than your post gives, to try to answer your questions, from my perspective. i did want to let you know that i recognize your pain and have felt the pain that disappointment can give. i'm glad you posted here and hope that you will continue to explore your feelings. others may respond, too, and if you would like to ask Deepak this question you can go to his website at www.chopra.com.
wow! 2nd place, kewl!
Praying for those who cause you PAIN.... I'm involved in a major challenge to change my perception about something that is causing me unbeleivable pain. Recently, became involved w/a special soul, 42 yr. old workaholic, recluse, Buddhist...a wonderful beautiful man. He courted me and came on strongly 2 months ago. But when I fly to NYC for 1 week and returned, no msgs, none to speak of. I called several times, and he returned the call only to say he was overwhelmingly busy...I'm furious and devastated, and feel totally used and abandoned. I cannot believe I have yet attracted another 'unavailable'.And he was honest. Yip, he told me up front...So, Now I am challenged to see him as a teacher to heal more stuff I need to heal...right? All I want to do now is 'eye for an eye' call block him, write him hate a letter, s--- his tires, I'm so furious and so hurt. He should know the pain I'm in!!He has no clue that this is how he operates his relationships, for that is why he is a recluse w/very few friends. Anyway, what can I do to change my perception? What can I do to not rage and project onto this man and clearly clearly let him GO, for this is not healthy whatsoever. It is not empowering for me as a woman. AT ALL!!! Thank you. Pilar
Hi all--A belated Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrated--I've not checked in for the whole week--and just read 4 pages of posts! Yikes!Congrats to Denis and family on the new arrival! What fun!Lennie--I'm in North Ga. Are you in GA as well? Glad your day went fairly well--I hosted for 9, and thought that was a lot :-) 38 people??! Wow!Have a good weekend one and all!Cathy
A belated Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrated--I've not checked in for the whole week--and just read 4 pages of posts! Yikes!
Congrats to Denis and family on the new arrival! What fun!
Lennie--I'm in North Ga. Are you in GA as well? Glad your day went fairly well--I hosted for 9, and thought that was a lot :-) 38 people??! Wow!
Have a good weekend one and all!
Dick -- Amazing work! Thanks for those counts, and I recognize that my posting lately has been both prolific and verbose. I'm even happier that my name has been uttered by others than myself that often.I did call attention to Silvia's "Yahtzee" of 55555 as it happened, and I deliberately refrained from posting that specific post so someone else could have the distinction. I can repost her post and my response to it, if needed, to show that.I have in the past been intimidated by others calling attention to the quantity of my posts, and have even left the forum whan that got to be an issue. Likewise with my calling attention to post counts and referring to other trivia. I will avoid that reaction this time, as long as it doesn't become a big issue for others.However, I would point out to you, Dick, that a former poster of renown here, Cool Font Phooey, who also preferred anonymity, also liked to engage in the counts of words and posts, and to make that a point of some unknown value. It never was quite plain what the point was. He (or she) also enjoyed using "hehe" as a tagline. Another favorite expression was "bite me."I have spent a large part of the past few days reviewing the archives, primarily to find when people posted for the first time here. There are still quite a few whose first post is still on my list to find. In that search, I located (back in Jul/98) where I was harsh and nasty to CFP and for some time he didn't post after that. He later returned, but then again vanished. In all honesty, I miss CFP, since his observations of little flaws always served to restore some balance, even if it was annoying to some. His personal views never were all that obvious, since most of what he had to say was in calling attention to other people's weaknesses or lack of consistency.But the little exercise you just went through is so like his work that I am more than a little curious if you and CFP are not one and the same. If you are, welcome back! If not, just know that he was a hard act to follow, but you're doing quite well at restoring the balance CFP did.Again, if you're not CFP, you might wish to look back to when he was active and appropriate the distinctive purplish font he always used. It could add to your mystique even more. Please don't lose your ability to contribute some thought-provoking links and side-splitting comments. They jazz this forum up immensely.Consider me a fan of Dick Skep.
I did call attention to Silvia's "Yahtzee" of 55555 as it happened, and I deliberately refrained from posting that specific post so someone else could have the distinction. I can repost her post and my response to it, if needed, to show that.
I have in the past been intimidated by others calling attention to the quantity of my posts, and have even left the forum whan that got to be an issue. Likewise with my calling attention to post counts and referring to other trivia. I will avoid that reaction this time, as long as it doesn't become a big issue for others.
However, I would point out to you, Dick, that a former poster of renown here, Cool Font Phooey, who also preferred anonymity, also liked to engage in the counts of words and posts, and to make that a point of some unknown value. It never was quite plain what the point was. He (or she) also enjoyed using "hehe" as a tagline. Another favorite expression was "bite me."
I have spent a large part of the past few days reviewing the archives, primarily to find when people posted for the first time here. There are still quite a few whose first post is still on my list to find. In that search, I located (back in Jul/98) where I was harsh and nasty to CFP and for some time he didn't post after that. He later returned, but then again vanished. In all honesty, I miss CFP, since his observations of little flaws always served to restore some balance, even if it was annoying to some. His personal views never were all that obvious, since most of what he had to say was in calling attention to other people's weaknesses or lack of consistency.
But the little exercise you just went through is so like his work that I am more than a little curious if you and CFP are not one and the same. If you are, welcome back! If not, just know that he was a hard act to follow, but you're doing quite well at restoring the balance CFP did.
Again, if you're not CFP, you might wish to look back to when he was active and appropriate the distinctive purplish font he always used. It could add to your mystique even more. Please don't lose your ability to contribute some thought-provoking links and side-splitting comments. They jazz this forum up immensely.
Consider me a fan of Dick Skep.
Actually, I remember reading somewhere that if we did have to direct all of those processes consciously nono of us could sustain the level of concentration that would be required on an ongoing basis. Makes you wonder ... (In my darker days, I used to wonder what the 'suicide' rate would be if one could consciously choose to stop one's heart from beating :)
Makes you wonder ...
(In my darker days, I used to wonder what the 'suicide' rate would be if one could consciously choose to stop one's heart from beating :)
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